Now, I heard that one of the U.S. Psi agents was able to "remote view" the location of a Russian submarine without any prior knowledge of where it was or what it looked like. Is that true?
That was Joe McMoneagle, who has written several books on this. We recommend him because he's known for being the best of the best.  In this case, they gave him just some coordinates and he came back and described a building. Then they showed him the building and said, "What's inside?" and he described the submarine. But the information he provided was considerably different from anything we knew from our human sources. One of the key issues was that he described the torpedo launching tubes as being forward of the sail. At that point, every nuclear submarine in the world had the torpedo tubes behind the sail. So they gave this information to our boat builders, they looked at it, and said, "Well you can't do that." They dismissed it and said, "You build a submarine that big, when it goes to depth it will crush." Well, guess what? We were looking at the first Typhoon class submarine and didn't even know it. Once the satellites came on and we saw it, we said, "Holy shit. There's the submarine." We originally ignored the information because our sciences said you can't do that. And Soviets proved, yes, you could. So that was a really solid example of an operational capability.

Is it true there were psychic spies brought in during the Iran hostage crisis?
There were. They were trying to find out where the people were. We couldn't locate them. Particularly after the rescue attempt, because they scattered and moved in a different location. But we did not have good data on where the people were located. You know, the overhead only sees what you can see from the outside, but they were able to come up with some pretty specific information. One of the most important bits was they knew of an individual, a senior official, who it turned out was pretty sick. They were able to a) spot that, and b) actually determine when he was going to be released. And, like I said, they had a fair amount of information on it, but unfortunately once Desert One (the launch point for President Jimmy Carter's failed rescue mission) happened  and the hostages got split up, it became more difficult. It made a single rescue attempt pretty much impossible.

There have also been stories of certain KGB agents who were able to cause physical harm with only their minds. Is that just a Cold War ghost story, or was there real evidence to support it?
Well, I'll tell you the story. When you say, "Was there evidence?" I've got to say I wouldn't call it evidence. But there was a guy by the name of Nikolai Kokolov. He'd been a major in the KGB who defected. The problem here is that the information all becomes second-hand. He was not involved in these experiments but he did talk about getting reports from people who were. And the report included the ability to do spinal fractures (using psychokinesis) but, like I say, we don't have a lot of evidence on that.


In the movie, the psychics are broken up into different categories based on their abilities. There are "Pushers" who can inject their thoughts into others, there are "Movers" who can manipulate objects—is this based on anything from your own experience?
I would say that there are some very fundamental truths, but they've been greatly extrapolated. I mean, I saw in the movie people being thrown around through the air and stuff like that. This past summer, though, we spent a couple of weeks in the Peruvian Amazon at a Shamanic conference and the things that happen there are truly remarkable, but they come from a totally different construct of reality. [In Western culture], we talk esoterically about a spirit world and a real world. Some people believe. Some don't. But we tend to see those as separate locations. The shaman move seamlessly. In fact, I've done interviews where I've had to stop them and say, "Well, wait a minute. Are you talking about physical reality as we know it? Or are you talking about some other world?" We assume that our construct of reality is the only one that must be real and they don't necessarily accept that.

When you talk to people about this stuff are they sort of dismissive of it, like they are of stories about Area 51?
Well, Area 51 is a real place. There just aren't any aliens out there. Like I said, we spent decades working with some very senior folks that had direct experience. That was the reason that we did this, so people would have direct experience and couldn't say, "Oh, that was a trick." If you do it yourself, then you've got to explain it. In the world in general there are enough people that have had direct experiences with psychic phenomena—this is where the public and the scientific communities differ dramatically. One of the problems that people have is when scientists say, "Oh no, this couldn't possibly be," and they say, "But here's what happened to me." UFOs are a good example. Only seven percent of the adult population believes that they've seen them. When you get into near-death experiences, you have tens of millions who have had such experience. The catch-22 is when they say, "How do you do that?" And you go, "Well, we haven't got good theories." But the experience says we ought to be looking.